A Quote From Thomas Jefferson About the Jews (Hi Gad Saad and Travis Pangburn)

No one is perfect, certainly not Thomas Jefferson, but what did he see in some Jews that was questionable? Are we allowed to talk about this? or, are your people eternally innocent and perfect all of the time? We always hear about all the problems of Christians and Muslims.  (By the way, Jordan Peterson, who blocked me, even sent a message out to the Muslims and the Christians. Where was the message for the Jews Jordan?) 

Both of you (Gad and Travis,) are supposedly atheists, so what exactly are you two defending?  Travis, you are covering up spying technology, (along with others,) and individuals being attacked, tortured and spied upon with classified technology for exercising their freedom of speech, what do you do besides promote debates? 


" [Some New England federalists] are marked, like the Jews, with such a perversity of character, as to constitute, from that circumstance, the natural division of our parties."  - Thomas Jefferson


See here for the political writings of Thomas Jefferson for the source. 

People Fear the Jews For Their Power

No one had the courage to speak favorably about him in public, for they were afraid of getting in trouble with the Jewish leaders - John 7:13

More From Thomas Jefferson About Judaism

For more about Lenni Brenner and his work regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazi's see here.

From Lenni Brenner
BrennerL21@aol.com
9-21-3

As you know, Zionist Israel is ethnically discriminatory and religiously bigoted. With that in mind, I just taped a video show for the American Atheist network, and prepared a list of statements from Thomas Jefferson on Judaism. I pass these on to you, in the hope that they will be useful in helping to explain to Americans who believe in his celebrated "wall of separation between Church & State," that they can't vote for any party that subsidizes a theocratic state like Israel.   Any reasonable person reading his statements will immediately understand that, were he alive today, he would never support sending US taxpayers' money to an Orthodox Jewish state, or any state with an established religion.   Stay well, give 'em hell,   Lenni BrennerL21@aol.com   _____   To John Adams, October 13, 1813   To compare the morals of the Old, with those of the New Testament, would require an attentive study of the former, a search through all it's books for it's precepts, and through all its history for its practices, and the principles they prove. As commentaries, too, on these, the philosophy of the Hebrews must be enquired into, their Mishna, their Gemara, Cabbala, Jezirah, Sohar, Cosri, and their Talmud must be examined and understood, in order to do them full justice. Brucker, it should seem, has gone deeply into these repositories of their ethics, and Enfield, his epitomizer, concludes in these words: "Ethics were so little studied among the Jews, that, in their whole compilation called the Talmud, there is only one treatise on moral subjects. Their books of morals chiefly consisted in a minute enumeration of duties. From the law of Moses were deduced 613 precepts, which were divided into two classes, affirmative and negative, 248 in the former, and 365 in the latter. It may serve to give the reader some idea of the low state of moral philosophy among the Jews in the Middle age, to add that of the 248 affirmative precepts, only three were considered as obligatory upon women, and that in order to obtain salvation, it was judged sufficient to fulfill any one single law in the hour of death; the observance of the rest being deemed necessary, only to increase the felicity of the future life. What a wretched depravity of sentiment and manners must have prevailed before such corrupt maxims could have obtained credit! It is impossible to collect from these writings a consistent series of moral Doctrine." Enfield, B. 4. chapter 3. It was the reformation of this "wretched depravity" of morals which Jesus undertook.   ==   To Charles Thomson, January 9, 1816   I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the Gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw. They have compounded from the heathen mysteries a System beyond the comprehension of man, of which the great reformer of the vicious ethics and deism of the Jews, were he to return on earth, would not recognize one feature.   ==   To Mordecai Noah, May 28, 1818   I thank you for the Discourse on the consecration of the Synagogue in your city, with which you have been pleased to favor me. I have read it with pleasure and instruction, having learnt from it some valuable facts in Jewish history which I did not know before. Your sect by its sufferings has furnished a remarkable proof of the universal spirit of religious intolerance inherent in every sect, disclaimed by all while feeble, and practiced by all when in power. Our laws have applied the only antidote to this vice, protecting our religious, as they do our civil rights, by putting all on an equal footing.   ==   To Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819   I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know. I am not a Jew, and therefore do not adopt their theology, which supposes the god of infinite justice to punish the sins of the fathers upon their children, unto the 3d. and 4th. generation:   ==   To William Short, October 31, 1819   But the greatest of all the reformers of the depraved religion of his own country, was Jesus of Nazareth. Abstracting what is really his from the rubbish in which it is buried, easily distinguished by its luster from the dross of his biographers, and as separable from that as the diamond from the dunghill, we have the outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man; outlines which it is lamentable he did not live to fill up   ==   To William Short, August 4, 1820   There are, I acknowledge, passages not free from objection, which we may, with probability, ascribe to Jesus himself; but claiming indulgence from the circumstances under which he acted. His object was the reformation of some articles in the religion of the Jews, as taught by Moses. That sect had presented for the object of their worship, a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust. Jesus, taking for his type the best qualities of the human head and heart, wisdom, justice, goodness, and adding to them power, ascribed all of these, but in infinite perfection, to the Supreme Being, and formed him really worthy of their adoration. Moses had either not believed in a future state of existence, or had not thought it essential to be explicitly taught to his people. Jesus inculcated that doctrine with emphasis and precision. Moses had bound the Jews to many idle ceremonies, mummeries and observances, of no effect towards producing the social utilities which constitute the essence of virtue; Jesus exposed their futility and insignificance. The one instilled into his people the most anti-social spirit towards other nations; the other preached philanthropy and universal charity and benevolence. The office of reformer of the superstitions of a nation, is ever dangerous. Jesus had to walk on the perilous confines of reason and religion: and a step to right or left might place him within the gripe of the priests of the superstition, a blood thirsty race, as cruel and remorseless as the being whom they represented as the family God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and the local God of Israel.     Comment From Spacek 9-22-3   At the end, where Moses 'doctrines' are questioned, I believe Moses was misrepresented and calumnized, in the Bible, which as you know, is bogus, beyond, any doubt. I think Moses was an Avatar, carrying the Christ Energy, to those of the Hebrews who could be saved and instructed, by it's grace. He was persecuted by his 'brother' Aaron, the root of the bloodthirsty tribe and may have been killed by this jealous, meanspirited demon. All Avatars are persecuted, libeled and often murdered, by those of the evil godling, who is no True God of love and justice. Moses, Pentateush, was redacted, plagiarized and turned 180 degrees from the truth, he preached, to fool, mislead and destroy the truth and those seeking it. All the books of 'knowledge' have been corrupted, to suit the whims of the evil godling.   Mr. Brenner is the author of 4 books, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, The Iron Wall: Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir, Jews in America Today, and The Lesser Evil: The Democratic Party. His books have been favorably reviewed in 10 languages by prominent publications, including the London Times, The London Review of Books, Moscow's Izvestia and the Jerusalem Post.   He has written over 100 articles for many publications, including the Amsterdam News, the Anderson Valley Advertizer, the Atlanta Constitution, CounterPunch, the Jewish Guardian, the Nation, the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Middle East Policy, Middle East International, the Journal of Palestine Studies, the New Statesman of London, Al-Fajr in Jerusalem and the United Irishman in Dublin.

Jefferson on the Freedom of the Press

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe. - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (6 January 1816) ME 14:384.

No experiment can be more interesting than that we are now trying, and which we trust will end in establishing the fact, that man may be governed by reason and truth. Our first object should therefore be, to leave open to him all the avenues to truth. The most effectual hitherto found, is the freedom of the press. It is, therefore, the first shut up by those who fear the investigation of their actions. - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Judge John Tyler (June 28, 1804); in: The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Memorial Edition (ME) (Lipscomb and Bergh, editors), 20 Vols., Washington, D.C., 1903-04, Volume 11, page 33.


Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost. - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. James Currie (28 January 1786) Lipscomb & Bergh 18:ii.


The basis of our government being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them. - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Colonel Edward Carrington (16 January 1787) Lipscomb & Bergh ed. 6:57.

To preserve the freedom of the human mind then and freedom of the press, every spirit should be ready to devote itself to martyrdom; for as long as we may think as we will, and speak as we think, the condition of man will proceed in improvement. - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Green Mumford (18 June 1799).

I am  for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents.- Letter to Elbridge Gerry (January 26, 1799); in: The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Memorial Edition (ME) (Lipscomb and Bergh, editors), 20 Vols., Washington, D.C., 1903-04, Volume 10, page 78.

I have stated that the constitutions of our several States vary more or less in some particulars. But there are certain principles in which all agree, and which all cherish as vitally essential to the protection of the life, liberty, property, and safety of the citizen [...] Freedom of the press, subject only to liability for personal injuries. This formidable censor of the public functionaries, by arraigning them at the tribunal of public opinion, produces reform peaceably, which must otherwise be done by revolution. It is also the best instrument for enlightening the mind of man, and improving him as a rational, moral, and social being. - Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray a.k.a. Adamantios Koraes, October 31, 1823. The letter can be found in The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, edited by Andrew A Lipscomb and William Elery Bergh, 20 volumes, (Washington, D.C.: Thomas Jefferson Memorial Foundation, 1901-04), at page 489 of volume 15.

An hereditary chief, strictly limited, the right of war vested in the legislative body, a rigid economy of the public contributions, and absolute interdiction of all useless expenses, will go far towards keeping the government honest and unoppressive. But the only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted, when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure. - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Marquis de la Fayette (November 4, 1823); in: The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Memorial Edition (ME) (Lipscomb and Bergh, editors), 20 Vols., Washington, D.C., 1903-04, Volume 15, page 491.